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	<title>Comments on: When is Second Life Enterprise beta right for you?</title>
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		<title>By: Erica Driver</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to today&#039;s post on Linden Lab&#039;s Second Life Working Inworld blog, &quot;Recap on the Second Life Enterprise launch and PR coverage.&quot; This post contains pricing information. https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/workinginworld/blog/2009/11/09/recap-on-the-second-life-enterprise-launch-and-pr-coverage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to today&#8217;s post on Linden Lab&#8217;s Second Life Working Inworld blog, &#8220;Recap on the Second Life Enterprise launch and PR coverage.&#8221; This post contains pricing information. <a href="https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/workinginworld/blog/2009/11/09/recap-on-the-second-life-enterprise-launch-and-pr-coverage" rel="nofollow">https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/workinginworld/blog/2009/11/09/recap-on-the-second-life-enterprise-launch-and-pr-coverage</a></p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Sanford</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Sanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This pricing isn&#039;t bad for a behind the firewall solution.  In evaluating pricing having talked with Forterra, ProtonMedia and eventually settling on Teleplace this fits right along side the rest of the marketplace in terms of pricing.  Depending on your mix of applications it might actually be less expensive then the other platforms given organizations in the 300+ users when comparing to both hosted and behind the Firewall solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This pricing isn&#8217;t bad for a behind the firewall solution.  In evaluating pricing having talked with Forterra, ProtonMedia and eventually settling on Teleplace this fits right along side the rest of the marketplace in terms of pricing.  Depending on your mix of applications it might actually be less expensive then the other platforms given organizations in the 300+ users when comparing to both hosted and behind the Firewall solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Driver</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the above comments were posted prior to the Nov. 9th update of this blog article. 

Today we had a call with Chris Collins, GM Enterprise, and Amanda Van Nuys, Executive Director, Enterprise Marketing, to clarify the pricing model for SL Enterprise. The pricing model for SL Enterprise is a one-time $55,000 up-front fee for the appliance and software license for 100 avatars; plus an annual recurring fee based on the number of users licensed (starting at $175/user with discounts based on volume); plus any third-party applications or content and third-party custom development costs.

While we were at it, we took the opportunity to clarify that by &quot;a Web-based solution&quot; we mean &quot;a solution that runs in a Web browser.&quot;

Apologies for the confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the above comments were posted prior to the Nov. 9th update of this blog article. </p>
<p>Today we had a call with Chris Collins, GM Enterprise, and Amanda Van Nuys, Executive Director, Enterprise Marketing, to clarify the pricing model for SL Enterprise. The pricing model for SL Enterprise is a one-time $55,000 up-front fee for the appliance and software license for 100 avatars; plus an annual recurring fee based on the number of users licensed (starting at $175/user with discounts based on volume); plus any third-party applications or content and third-party custom development costs.</p>
<p>While we were at it, we took the opportunity to clarify that by &#8220;a Web-based solution&#8221; we mean &#8220;a solution that runs in a Web browser.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apologies for the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo Hax</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>Mo Hax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I added a little more to the discussion with this &lt;a href=&quot;http://imohax.com/2009/11/09/sleperspectives/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eight Perspectives on Second Life Enterprise&lt;/a&gt; post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I added a little more to the discussion with this <a href="http://imohax.com/2009/11/09/sleperspectives/" rel="nofollow">Eight Perspectives on Second Life Enterprise</a> post.</p>
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		<title>By: Nink</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>Nink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds more like a rental agreement then a purchase.  So do we assume if you do not pay the 55K again in 12 months time the system will automatically disable logins and all your content will be lost unless you unlock it again for another 55K.  

If we look at a business case perspective over and above exisiting second life it will be a difficult ROI. you will probably need at least 1/2 a full time person to run and administer the environment, (say 50K), the application itself 55K for 100 users so this comes out to 105K per year. I heard another 5K for support per year from the Lindens during the Q and A (not sure what that was for as we were told it did not occur in the first year only year 2.  So year 1 is approx $1050 per concurrent user and year 2 is $1100 per user.  If you compare this with some of the other engines like Forterra, Protonmedia, Teleplace, web.alive it is not that unreasonable.  If you compare it to opensource tools like opensim, wonderland, croquet than it appears to be overpriced,  

Will companies buy/rent  SLE? Sure they will. People buy microsoft office when open office is free and does exactly the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds more like a rental agreement then a purchase.  So do we assume if you do not pay the 55K again in 12 months time the system will automatically disable logins and all your content will be lost unless you unlock it again for another 55K.  </p>
<p>If we look at a business case perspective over and above exisiting second life it will be a difficult ROI. you will probably need at least 1/2 a full time person to run and administer the environment, (say 50K), the application itself 55K for 100 users so this comes out to 105K per year. I heard another 5K for support per year from the Lindens during the Q and A (not sure what that was for as we were told it did not occur in the first year only year 2.  So year 1 is approx $1050 per concurrent user and year 2 is $1100 per user.  If you compare this with some of the other engines like Forterra, Protonmedia, Teleplace, web.alive it is not that unreasonable.  If you compare it to opensource tools like opensim, wonderland, croquet than it appears to be overpriced,  </p>
<p>Will companies buy/rent  SLE? Sure they will. People buy microsoft office when open office is free and does exactly the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Driver</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-709</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just confirmed the pricing for SL Enterprise. The $55k is an annual renewable fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just confirmed the pricing for SL Enterprise. The $55k is an annual renewable fee.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo Hax</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>Mo Hax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erica, there is certainly no need for embarrassment, these details are anything but easy to obtain. I applaud your vigilant concern for business customers shown in your determination to chase down this data and present it in amazing ways. Brava.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erica, there is certainly no need for embarrassment, these details are anything but easy to obtain. I applaud your vigilant concern for business customers shown in your determination to chase down this data and present it in amazing ways. Brava.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Driver</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-707</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mo Hax: Thanks for the correction re: the image. (My original post included an image of two avatars talking at the Nov. 4th Metanomics event; neither one was Linden Lab CEO Mark Kingdon.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mo Hax: Thanks for the correction re: the image. (My original post included an image of two avatars talking at the Nov. 4th Metanomics event; neither one was Linden Lab CEO Mark Kingdon.)</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Driver</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mo Hax: 

You are correct; it will not be possible for those on separate SL Enterprise instances to travel back and forth between them. Even if those instances are deployed by the same company, behind the same firewally. I understand this capability is on their roadmap. 

About pricing: Yesterday during Linden Lab&#039;s enterprise open office hours I asked whether the $55k price is a one-time upfront fee, or $55k/year. Amanda Van Nuys, the company&#039;s Exec. Dir. of Enterprise Marketing, said that the cost was $55k/year. She gave a few details, such as this price includes both servers (SL and voice) and up to 100 avatars. This is a very unusual pricing model for an enterprise appliance. A more common pricing model for enterprise software, or an appliance, is a one-time license fee plus an annual maintenance fee, and customers can also often choose varying levels of annual support, for an additional fee.

Today I got into a discussion about SL Enterprise pricing at a ThinkBalm Innovation Community event and several people said they think I got it wrong -- that the $55k is a one-time upfront fee and there will be an annual fee beyond that that ranges from the $5k to 20% range (opinions varied). That would be a much more reasonable model. I have emails in to Linden Lab for clarification. I will correct my original post, in great embarassment, if it turns out I heard wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mo Hax: </p>
<p>You are correct; it will not be possible for those on separate SL Enterprise instances to travel back and forth between them. Even if those instances are deployed by the same company, behind the same firewally. I understand this capability is on their roadmap. </p>
<p>About pricing: Yesterday during Linden Lab&#8217;s enterprise open office hours I asked whether the $55k price is a one-time upfront fee, or $55k/year. Amanda Van Nuys, the company&#8217;s Exec. Dir. of Enterprise Marketing, said that the cost was $55k/year. She gave a few details, such as this price includes both servers (SL and voice) and up to 100 avatars. This is a very unusual pricing model for an enterprise appliance. A more common pricing model for enterprise software, or an appliance, is a one-time license fee plus an annual maintenance fee, and customers can also often choose varying levels of annual support, for an additional fee.</p>
<p>Today I got into a discussion about SL Enterprise pricing at a ThinkBalm Innovation Community event and several people said they think I got it wrong &#8212; that the $55k is a one-time upfront fee and there will be an annual fee beyond that that ranges from the $5k to 20% range (opinions varied). That would be a much more reasonable model. I have emails in to Linden Lab for clarification. I will correct my original post, in great embarassment, if it turns out I heard wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo Hax</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/11/05/when-is-second-life-enterprise-beta-right-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator>Mo Hax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also I believe the avatars you have pictured are actually that of Neil Katz (IBM) and Steven Aguiar (Naval Undersea Warfare Center), not Mark Kingdon (who has a blonde avatar famous for wearing an headphones attachment). Just &lt;a href=&quot;http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/11/06/the-big-show-second-life-enterprise-launch-video&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reviewed the broadcast&lt;/a&gt; to confirm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I believe the avatars you have pictured are actually that of Neil Katz (IBM) and Steven Aguiar (Naval Undersea Warfare Center), not Mark Kingdon (who has a blonde avatar famous for wearing an headphones attachment). Just <a href="http://dusanwriter.com/index.php/2009/11/06/the-big-show-second-life-enterprise-launch-video" rel="nofollow">reviewed the broadcast</a> to confirm.</p>
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