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	<title>Comments on: Forterra Systems layoffs have implications for the enterprise immersive software market</title>
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		<title>By: Erica Driver</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/12/23/forterra-systems-layoffs-have-implications-for-the-enterprise-immersive-software-market/comment-page-1/#comment-761</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent: Thanks for your comment. Indeed these are sad times. 

Here is a link to the SAIC press release about the acquisition: http://investors.saic.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=441633.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent: Thanks for your comment. Indeed these are sad times. </p>
<p>Here is a link to the SAIC press release about the acquisition: <a href="http://investors.saic.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=441633" rel="nofollow">http://investors.saic.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=441633</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Fasail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Fasail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s way worse than we thought 2 weeks ago.  The news today:  SAIC buys Forterra.  Terms of deal not disclosed, meaning it&#039;s a fire sale.  Rumor mill says only a couple product engineers will be employed, the rest of the fearless Forterra crew will be lost.

Again, this is a colossal failure of an individual company due to a bubble-era VC financing strategy and a bad business plan.   It does not signal the failure of an emerging market.  Lots of good things are taking shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s way worse than we thought 2 weeks ago.  The news today:  SAIC buys Forterra.  Terms of deal not disclosed, meaning it&#8217;s a fire sale.  Rumor mill says only a couple product engineers will be employed, the rest of the fearless Forterra crew will be lost.</p>
<p>Again, this is a colossal failure of an individual company due to a bubble-era VC financing strategy and a bad business plan.   It does not signal the failure of an emerging market.  Lots of good things are taking shape.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Driver</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/12/23/forterra-systems-layoffs-have-implications-for-the-enterprise-immersive-software-market/comment-page-1/#comment-751</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian hit the nail on the head: this is an emerging market. The market is small ($50M in 2009), volatile, fragmented, and characterized by fast-changing technology. Three trends I&#039;ll highlight from ThinkBalm&#039;s &quot;2010 trends&quot; blog post (full text here: http://www.thinkbalm.com/2010/01/13/enterprise-immersive-software-trends-for-2010-2/):

1.The market is and will remain in the early adopter phase. 
2.Cash will be king, for the vendors. 
3.The year will be marked by churn. 

Currently ThinkBalm is covering nearly two dozen vendors. They are either small companies or small, experimental teams within large companies (e.g., Avaya, IBM, and Sun Microsystems). There is no way that a small, emerging market like this can sustain two dozen players -- shakeout is inevitable. Not easy or fun, but inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian hit the nail on the head: this is an emerging market. The market is small ($50M in 2009), volatile, fragmented, and characterized by fast-changing technology. Three trends I&#8217;ll highlight from ThinkBalm&#8217;s &#8220;2010 trends&#8221; blog post (full text here: <a href="http://www.thinkbalm.com/2010/01/13/enterprise-immersive-software-trends-for-2010-2/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkbalm.com/2010/01/13/enterprise-immersive-software-trends-for-2010-2/)</a>:</p>
<p>1.The market is and will remain in the early adopter phase.<br />
2.Cash will be king, for the vendors.<br />
3.The year will be marked by churn. </p>
<p>Currently ThinkBalm is covering nearly two dozen vendors. They are either small companies or small, experimental teams within large companies (e.g., Avaya, IBM, and Sun Microsystems). There is no way that a small, emerging market like this can sustain two dozen players &#8212; shakeout is inevitable. Not easy or fun, but inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bauer</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/12/23/forterra-systems-layoffs-have-implications-for-the-enterprise-immersive-software-market/comment-page-1/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to paraphrase a marketing blurb from Forterra &quot;$50m has gone into the product&quot;... $50m? burn rate can be a killer: overemployment, excessive real estate, misguided development.  but who knows, maybe they will have the last laugh and be acquired for $500m....

in the meantime, to comment on Virtuola&#039;s concern:  this is still a niche space. 80%+ of the activity in this industry is conducted by suppliers, not consumers(eg this website for example).  Forterra is not a name brand behind a tight circle of cognoscenti who spend time analyzing Virtual Reality.  IF Forterra ceases to be, it will not have an impact on the industry consumers. But the demise(if it comes to pass) should have an impact on suppliers who can learn from the lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to paraphrase a marketing blurb from Forterra &#8220;$50m has gone into the product&#8221;&#8230; $50m? burn rate can be a killer: overemployment, excessive real estate, misguided development.  but who knows, maybe they will have the last laugh and be acquired for $500m&#8230;.</p>
<p>in the meantime, to comment on Virtuola&#8217;s concern:  this is still a niche space. 80%+ of the activity in this industry is conducted by suppliers, not consumers(eg this website for example).  Forterra is not a name brand behind a tight circle of cognoscenti who spend time analyzing Virtual Reality.  IF Forterra ceases to be, it will not have an impact on the industry consumers. But the demise(if it comes to pass) should have an impact on suppliers who can learn from the lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Fasail</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/12/23/forterra-systems-layoffs-have-implications-for-the-enterprise-immersive-software-market/comment-page-1/#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Fasail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forterra&#039;s CEO should do all of us who monitor the growth of the virtual worlds market a favor and state exatcly what happened. Is this an individual company problem or is it a market growth problem?  Other companies in this space seem to be growing, so I believe the former.

My source says that the Forterra products are fine, but just selling much more slowly than had hoped, and meanwhile they sold next to nothing in Q409...and neither did the partners (IBM, Adobe) because partners were too focused on closing more straegic deals themselves.  So management warned the Board, and meanwhile blamed a soft economy, sales execution, and its marketing team for failing to achieve &#039;market awareness.&#039;  Then the VCs got really squeamish, pulled back a lot of unused capital, and forced Forterra to make a brutal staff reduction and narrow its focus on two key markets.

These are all textbook moves that occur when a company writes a lofty business plan and doesn&#039;t deliver.  But I do wonder:  What were the VCs smoking if they were letting the company burn that much cash so early in the game?  Was there a really big deal that didn&#039;t come through?  And just how many markets did they really think they could penetrate at the same time before &quot;narrowing focus&quot; like any smart startup always does?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forterra&#8217;s CEO should do all of us who monitor the growth of the virtual worlds market a favor and state exatcly what happened. Is this an individual company problem or is it a market growth problem?  Other companies in this space seem to be growing, so I believe the former.</p>
<p>My source says that the Forterra products are fine, but just selling much more slowly than had hoped, and meanwhile they sold next to nothing in Q409&#8230;and neither did the partners (IBM, Adobe) because partners were too focused on closing more straegic deals themselves.  So management warned the Board, and meanwhile blamed a soft economy, sales execution, and its marketing team for failing to achieve &#8216;market awareness.&#8217;  Then the VCs got really squeamish, pulled back a lot of unused capital, and forced Forterra to make a brutal staff reduction and narrow its focus on two key markets.</p>
<p>These are all textbook moves that occur when a company writes a lofty business plan and doesn&#8217;t deliver.  But I do wonder:  What were the VCs smoking if they were letting the company burn that much cash so early in the game?  Was there a really big deal that didn&#8217;t come through?  And just how many markets did they really think they could penetrate at the same time before &#8220;narrowing focus&#8221; like any smart startup always does?</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Driver</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/12/23/forterra-systems-layoffs-have-implications-for-the-enterprise-immersive-software-market/comment-page-1/#comment-748</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian and Virtuola: Because Forterra Systems executives have not made public announcements about the company&#039;s direction, there isn&#039;t much more I can say at this time. My strong recommendation is that if you are a Forterra Systems client or prospective client, you reach out to the executive team there to set up a call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian and Virtuola: Because Forterra Systems executives have not made public announcements about the company&#8217;s direction, there isn&#8217;t much more I can say at this time. My strong recommendation is that if you are a Forterra Systems client or prospective client, you reach out to the executive team there to set up a call.</p>
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		<title>By: Virtuola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virtuola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian--have you received any information in response to your questions? 

While we may be left to speculate on this, as a community, we should also be concerned about the perception to potential clients and the industry at large.  What, if anything, can be done to mitigate the potential backlash this experience may have industry-wide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian&#8211;have you received any information in response to your questions? </p>
<p>While we may be left to speculate on this, as a community, we should also be concerned about the perception to potential clients and the industry at large.  What, if anything, can be done to mitigate the potential backlash this experience may have industry-wide?</p>
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		<title>By: brian bauer</title>
		<link>http://www.thinkbalm.com/2009/12/23/forterra-systems-layoffs-have-implications-for-the-enterprise-immersive-software-market/comment-page-1/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>brian bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what I can&#039;t quite get my head around is this: is the downsizing a result of revenues declining? or a case where the company scaled to meet demand that never materialized in the first place? Further, where did the $10&#039;s of millions of VC funding go? I am not able to connect all the dots to understand why 1) funding 2) talent 3) market demand, has not resulted in corporate success? If there is a lesson to be learned here, I would truly like to understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what I can&#8217;t quite get my head around is this: is the downsizing a result of revenues declining? or a case where the company scaled to meet demand that never materialized in the first place? Further, where did the $10&#8217;s of millions of VC funding go? I am not able to connect all the dots to understand why 1) funding 2) talent 3) market demand, has not resulted in corporate success? If there is a lesson to be learned here, I would truly like to understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Lindquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Lindquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe we are in the midst of a transformation from a services-based (marketing &quot;builds&quot;, anything &quot;builds&quot;) to a product-based virtual world solution set.  Powerful apps which run within virtual worlds is the way to put power in the hands of the users.

OLIVE is one of the engines Green Phosphor is betting on for realization of the dream of the virtual world platform functioning as a collaborative presentation layer extending across many enterprise systems.

If you have any doubts about the effectiveness of combining live application screens and desktop sharing with a 3d immersive environment with VOIP, try out Meeting Labs or Wonderland, or any other platform which has achieved that level of software utility.

Arkowitz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we are in the midst of a transformation from a services-based (marketing &#8220;builds&#8221;, anything &#8220;builds&#8221;) to a product-based virtual world solution set.  Powerful apps which run within virtual worlds is the way to put power in the hands of the users.</p>
<p>OLIVE is one of the engines Green Phosphor is betting on for realization of the dream of the virtual world platform functioning as a collaborative presentation layer extending across many enterprise systems.</p>
<p>If you have any doubts about the effectiveness of combining live application screens and desktop sharing with a 3d immersive environment with VOIP, try out Meeting Labs or Wonderland, or any other platform which has achieved that level of software utility.</p>
<p>Arkowitz</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Otoole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Otoole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like some great expertise just hit the job market. What are the odds they don&#039;t stay cubicle-less for long (unless they go where people work in &quot;pods&quot; lol)

Sadly the &quot;uptake&quot; on saving resources and lessening physical risk by working in a virtual world has not yet happened so people are still having to burn fossil fuel, pay higher insurance premiums, place themselves at risk during commutes, role play &quot;office politics&quot;, deal with various stereotyping opportunities because of physical appearance, etc. etc. because even the virtual world companies selling such solutions do not actually *use them*. Which means they are not eating their own dog food which means they are not accelerating development (in order to make their jobs easier) to sustain momentum.

I guess it will be a difficult and long journey to convince executives that they don&#039;t really need to &quot;see the serfs working&quot; in order for the company to deliver positive revenue streams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like some great expertise just hit the job market. What are the odds they don&#8217;t stay cubicle-less for long (unless they go where people work in &#8220;pods&#8221; lol)</p>
<p>Sadly the &#8220;uptake&#8221; on saving resources and lessening physical risk by working in a virtual world has not yet happened so people are still having to burn fossil fuel, pay higher insurance premiums, place themselves at risk during commutes, role play &#8220;office politics&#8221;, deal with various stereotyping opportunities because of physical appearance, etc. etc. because even the virtual world companies selling such solutions do not actually *use them*. Which means they are not eating their own dog food which means they are not accelerating development (in order to make their jobs easier) to sustain momentum.</p>
<p>I guess it will be a difficult and long journey to convince executives that they don&#8217;t really need to &#8220;see the serfs working&#8221; in order for the company to deliver positive revenue streams.</p>
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